Re: Jacob's Questions thread!

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:44 am

MetalJacob wrote:Indeed! That's what I've been hoping someone would say all along so I could come to this statement. You couldn't use to floating thumb technique in death metal, right? So there has to be a way to play fast like this.

I tried black metal once with flowting thumb and it was catastrophic.

Well you only need to practice I guess... Start with songs like those in my previous posts or mix up your own chords and practice. You are younger than me so you'll master it in no time ^^

**MetalJacob** Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:50 am

Alright! Thanks for all the help! Very Happy

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:51 am

MetalJacob wrote:Alright! Thanks for all the help!

Anytime my friend, whenever I can help, I will ^^

**Some freaky guy** Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:04 pm

Nocturnal_Pulse wrote:Or "Seeman" by Rammstein:

Except that's the wrong technique for Seemann, the bass player actually does the thumb-pointer-middle-pointer thing, he doesn't do the finger walk at all.

See:

**Some freaky guy** Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:10 pm

Even better video showing how Seemann is actually played:

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:55 pm

Every player has his way.

To my opinion wannabe-ing is not nice, thats why everyone can play as they want.

If it sounds good, is good.

PLUS: Oliver (the R+ bassist) is one of the baddest players ever in the music scene. So the fact that he can play Seeman, doesnt say anything to me when in ALL the other songs he knows only the E string and rarely the A.

So I dont get that preaching from you about wrong or right.

**Some freaky guy** Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:27 pm

I'm saying you shouldn't use that song as an example as it is originally played in a different way. It's no OH SO BIG DEAL, but I feel like it's wrong to use it as an example for that technique. You could use that video, but not Seemann, as Seemann is played with a different technique.

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:12 pm

Some freaky guy wrote:I'm saying you shouldn't use that song as an example as it is originally played in a different way. It's no OH SO BIG DEAL, but I feel like it's wrong to use it as an example for that technique. You could use that video, but not Seemann, as Seemann is played with a different technique.

Nobody can say that's a diffirent technique when it's sounds fairly THE SAME.

Dman would play as you think it's right, but LOADS of others (including a guy in this particular forum who has played SEEMAN in a video for us) uses this technique I am saying.

So save the ranting of "this right and wrong", because nothing is right or wrong when the music sounds RIGHT.

**Some freaky guy** Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:04 pm

Relax, man. I wasn't saying that video was "wrong" in any way, I was trying to make it clear you have to differentiate between Seemann by Rammstein and any other bass player's cover of the same song. Sure, you can use that video as an example, but Seemann by Rammstein is played in a different way. By mentioning the song, not the video, as an example you implied the original was played using the same technique when it is not, which would cause nothing but confusion if Jacob decided to look up the song, finding live performances and music videos in which a completely different technique is used.

I wouldn't have minded AT ALL if you said "Or this version/cover of "Seemann" by Rammstein" instead.

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:27 pm

Some freaky guy wrote:Relax, man. I wasn't saying that video was "wrong" in any way, I was trying to make it clear you have to differentiate between Seemann by Rammstein and any other bass player's cover of the same song. Sure, you can use that video as an example, but Seemann by Rammstein is played in a different way. By mentioning the song, not the video, as an example you implied the original was played using the same technique when it is not, which would cause nothing but confusion if Jacob decided to look up the song, finding live performances and music videos in which a completely different technique is used.

I wouldn't have minded AT ALL if you said "Or this version/cover of "Seemann" by Rammstein" instead.

Well apparently OLIVER CAN'T WALK his fingers. I ve seen R+ live and that person plays like a dork, he should hold a Two stringed bass for starters.

You sound like a grammar Nazi sometimes you know?

my stance is the same: I can actually play Seeman without Oliver's technique and sounds FINE.

When you grow as a musician, you will never think that
"Ow this is wrong. You should do it that way".

Stop acting like a guitarist and act like a bassist.

Oh but let me guess. Thats a bad version of Seeman. Yeah. Duh.

**Pippynip** Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:48 pm

I think to be honest the pair of you are acting like you've thrown your toys out the pram.

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:10 pm

Pippynip wrote:I think to be honest the pair of you are acting like you've thrown your toys out the pram.

I agree with you, totally but I get exploded when someone is so strict and judgemental over music and how's supposed to be played. Like we are Celloists or pianists that need to be strict in our playing.

I am done with that I already shared my opinion.

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**MetalJacob** Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:31 am

Does this look right to you guys? It seems I might be putting too much tension in my fingers. Sorry for it sounding bad, I was just hitting random notes, focusing on my fingers. Razz

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:45 am

Yup your wrist is moving right!

And you hit easily the D and G string, so I think yeah you are ready to go!

cheers

**Pippynip** Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:31 pm

The only thing I'd add is to try and keep your wrist as straight as possible all the time. Not like totally rigid, still fairly relaxed, but quite straight. It seems to make it a bit easier when I play with that technique.

**MetalJacob** Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:38 pm

Alrighty thanks fellas! Very Happy

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:35 am

Ey Jacob check this man's technique, it's the same I ve showed you but he's far faster and more experienced than me!

Hope it helps too!

**MetalJacob** Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:46 pm

Indeed I see he actually uses to floating thumb technique too.

So what are some good songs for me to practice with this technique to help me get it down? Preferably ones with movement across the strings but also just good walking parts on the strings. (I play with my pinky and this technique seems very difficult using it)

**Pippynip** Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:03 pm

The most basic one would probably be Lucretia, My Reflection by Sisters of Mercy. Straight 8th notes all thoughout and most of them are A.

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:33 pm

Pippynip wrote:The most basic one would probably be Lucretia, My Reflection by Sisters of Mercy. Straight 8th notes all thoughout and most of them are A.

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**Pippynip** Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:36 pm

I prefer to use the open D, but both are fine Smile

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:37 pm

Pippynip wrote:I prefer to use the open D, but both are fine

Open D? Never played it that way ^^

Before that when I was a total noob, I played it all in A... Embarassed

**MetalJacob** Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:57 pm

Alright! Are you supposed to play a lot softer with this technique? Cause I can't hit the strings very hard at all doing this.

**Nocturnal_Pulse** Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:59 pm

MetalJacob wrote:Alright! Are you supposed to play a lot softer with this technique? Cause I can't hit the strings very hard at all doing this.

You will gradually strengthen your fingers if you practice, I promise.

Just hit the volume on your amp lower your tone and you'll have it!

**Pippynip** Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:53 am

I play soft and relaxed all the time, I only play harder when I need to. Then again, you probably need to for metal... Yeah, just practice a lot and it should be fine.

Edit: One thing you could do is turn the gain up a bit. Fiddle with the EQ and the gain and you could probably give it a metal sound even when you play soft.

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