Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
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Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
I only really use two on faster parts where it's too fast to play with one. Basically, if I'm playing anything that is decently slow, I'll only use my index finger.
Guzco
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
James Jamerson only used one finger Geddy Lee uses one finger a lot too, and I believe that Tim Commerford from Rage Against the Machine uses the one finger technique when he can after being inspired by Geddy.
No, there's no problem with it
No, there's no problem with it
Smaz
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
The purists (the ones on the other forums ) will try and tell you you are wrong, and that you should give up bass now, because you've learnt an in-proper technique.
Even if you try and explain that some of the worlds greatest bass players play with one finger when at a slower tempo (and faster in some cases!), they will still tell you you are wrong, because they went to college and spent 5 years being told that, so it MUST be right...
Lol! Sorry, rambling a bit. Someone asked me this question not so long ago over there, and I said to the guy that yes, it is ok. If it is comfortable to you, then do it. I advise people to do two finger walking, but it's ok if you don't.
Of course, I was shot down for saying that!
Even if you try and explain that some of the worlds greatest bass players play with one finger when at a slower tempo (and faster in some cases!), they will still tell you you are wrong, because they went to college and spent 5 years being told that, so it MUST be right...
Lol! Sorry, rambling a bit. Someone asked me this question not so long ago over there, and I said to the guy that yes, it is ok. If it is comfortable to you, then do it. I advise people to do two finger walking, but it's ok if you don't.
Of course, I was shot down for saying that!
Admin- Admin
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
It's a technique. Playing with two fingers is a technique, as is three & four finger playing. Slap is a technique, and so is playing with a pick.
All good bassists should be able to play a variety of techniques - but that doesn't mean that you have to use them all, or can't prefer one over the other (i.e. playing with one finger over playing with two). Try out every techinque, and find which one works best for you
I play with two fingers, slap a hell of a lot & am even trying to use three fingers. I do occasionally like to play around with just one finger though, requires more thought as it's not how I normally play
A lot of people believe you can get a better bounce/groove when playing with one finger, plus it can eliminate any differences in sound that can happen when playing with two fingers, where one finger stroke is quieter than the other, not quite as smooth, whatever.
You probably will be told that it's wrong, because you should play with two fingers (anyone who plays with a pick isn't even a bassist.) It's your bass, played your way
All good bassists should be able to play a variety of techniques - but that doesn't mean that you have to use them all, or can't prefer one over the other (i.e. playing with one finger over playing with two). Try out every techinque, and find which one works best for you
I play with two fingers, slap a hell of a lot & am even trying to use three fingers. I do occasionally like to play around with just one finger though, requires more thought as it's not how I normally play
A lot of people believe you can get a better bounce/groove when playing with one finger, plus it can eliminate any differences in sound that can happen when playing with two fingers, where one finger stroke is quieter than the other, not quite as smooth, whatever.
You probably will be told that it's wrong, because you should play with two fingers (anyone who plays with a pick isn't even a bassist.) It's your bass, played your way
Smaz
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Smaz, it feels like the opposite for me. I feel like I have to think more in order to play with two fingers sometimes.
Thanks for the answers.
Thanks for the answers.
Guzco
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Do what you feel is right. I would recommend developing a good two finger plucking technique but there is certainly nothing wrong with what you are doing. I personally use two and occasionally a third, over the years I have picked up some 'mistakes' sometimes I'll pluck with the same finger twice. This usually happens when I am changing from one string to the next, it is something I've thought I should try change but I'm not really bothered as I believe I have developed a good plucking technique.
Pastichio- A resident.
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
I kind of do a mix of the two. I don't even think about my right hand 99.9% of the time. I use two fingers and just kind of do whatever comes naturally. Most of the time I do two fingers but sometimes I do the same finger a couple of times in a row and on one song I play one string with my index and one with my middle. It's kind of weird looking but it feels right so I do it. My theory is just do whatever makes you groove the best.
McSnuggles
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Cliff Burton used one finger alot too. Just as Smaz put it - it's your bass. I use one finger very rarely, but I don't think about it when I do. All I know is it sounds good and I can still play my usual 2 finger / 3 finger galloping just as well. So there's no reason not to.
That said, one finger can produce a really interesting sound and look! This guy plays Whiplash in the quicker parts with just his index.
And no he didn't speed it up, a friend of his did the drums and guitar at a faster tempo.
That said, one finger can produce a really interesting sound and look! This guy plays Whiplash in the quicker parts with just his index.
And no he didn't speed it up, a friend of his did the drums and guitar at a faster tempo.
Protoplm
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Proto, buddy, instead of using the embed code from youtube, use the little film icon, and just paste the youtube vid URL into it when it asks
Took me a while to figure that out as well!
Took me a while to figure that out as well!
Admin- Admin
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
That video is awesome. I can't believe he can play that fast with one finger.
McSnuggles
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Woow, naw that guy has some skills...
general lee
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Okay, you can hit me hard for what I'm about to say here, but - sorry! - I have a slightly different, maybe even philosophic understanding of this topic unlike some of you guys (not all of them).
What - I think - was right in the above postings were the following points:
1. Sure it's OKAY to play with only one finger. Or two, or three, or with your feet, or your tongue... Name it! Smaz already said it straight: It's your bass, play how you like. Some others said the same, with some more "hidden" background-information about their ways of doing things this way or different.
2. ? Nothing?
That's it. Mentioning thousands of bass players who used only one finger or any other body-part is absolutely useless, because there will also be millions of bass players who do it differently. Who's right? The thousand one-fingered guys? The million two-fingered ones? Let's be honest: There's no bass-player among us forum-users who became famous like nobody else just because of his or her brilliant super-funky-coolio-monster-technique. Not even Dman and Dan and a lot of you guys, who are (all of you!) great players. Out of the few players from the 50's until today, who really invented modern bass-playing and really pushed the "evolution of bass-playing" there were a couple of guys using just one finger and maybe became famous because of that. And some more people were using two or more fingers. Have all the "other" bass-players (choose the group you like most for "your" point of view) been wrong? Surely not!
All of these techniques are OKAY, but nothing more and nothing less. Don't anybody of you tell me that playing with only finger isn't limited in some sence! Sure it's cool if you can play nearly all of your songs with only one finger. But isn't it cooler to be able to play it with one OR two fingers? Or even three? And to be able to adapt it to slapping and to do double-thumping, tapping and what else you like? Yes, sure it is. And don't tell me that only using two fingers is the real deal. Why? See above, the same reason... This information on it's own is also limited.
Giving the advise to somebody "You have to play everything with two fingers" is crap, because this is just said with no real meaning behind it. Giving the advise "You have to play with only one finger" is also crap. Both hints are limited in the same way. Plus: just playing this or that technique and not seeing what the "other guys" are doing is also limited.
Even giving the advise "Do what you like as long as you feel good" is just the half of the truth in my opinion. Why? Easy: Just because of the fact, that this statement is missing a very, very important aspect: the sound or better to say (more general): the bassist's output.
The whole truth imho for this advice could just be: "As long as you feel good with it and - if you listen really really careful to your music, your style, your timing, your tempo, to everything - if your musical output is really good with your technique, THEN carry on with what you're doing and don't explore some new worlds. Otherwise try it differently".
The question was "Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?" and the answer is: YES! And not because "the purists say this" and the others say that. It's just because limitation is bad. This goes for both the one- and the two-fingered purists.
Just my 2 cents. Okay, hit me...
What - I think - was right in the above postings were the following points:
1. Sure it's OKAY to play with only one finger. Or two, or three, or with your feet, or your tongue... Name it! Smaz already said it straight: It's your bass, play how you like. Some others said the same, with some more "hidden" background-information about their ways of doing things this way or different.
2. ? Nothing?
That's it. Mentioning thousands of bass players who used only one finger or any other body-part is absolutely useless, because there will also be millions of bass players who do it differently. Who's right? The thousand one-fingered guys? The million two-fingered ones? Let's be honest: There's no bass-player among us forum-users who became famous like nobody else just because of his or her brilliant super-funky-coolio-monster-technique. Not even Dman and Dan and a lot of you guys, who are (all of you!) great players. Out of the few players from the 50's until today, who really invented modern bass-playing and really pushed the "evolution of bass-playing" there were a couple of guys using just one finger and maybe became famous because of that. And some more people were using two or more fingers. Have all the "other" bass-players (choose the group you like most for "your" point of view) been wrong? Surely not!
All of these techniques are OKAY, but nothing more and nothing less. Don't anybody of you tell me that playing with only finger isn't limited in some sence! Sure it's cool if you can play nearly all of your songs with only one finger. But isn't it cooler to be able to play it with one OR two fingers? Or even three? And to be able to adapt it to slapping and to do double-thumping, tapping and what else you like? Yes, sure it is. And don't tell me that only using two fingers is the real deal. Why? See above, the same reason... This information on it's own is also limited.
Giving the advise to somebody "You have to play everything with two fingers" is crap, because this is just said with no real meaning behind it. Giving the advise "You have to play with only one finger" is also crap. Both hints are limited in the same way. Plus: just playing this or that technique and not seeing what the "other guys" are doing is also limited.
Even giving the advise "Do what you like as long as you feel good" is just the half of the truth in my opinion. Why? Easy: Just because of the fact, that this statement is missing a very, very important aspect: the sound or better to say (more general): the bassist's output.
The whole truth imho for this advice could just be: "As long as you feel good with it and - if you listen really really careful to your music, your style, your timing, your tempo, to everything - if your musical output is really good with your technique, THEN carry on with what you're doing and don't explore some new worlds. Otherwise try it differently".
The question was "Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?" and the answer is: YES! And not because "the purists say this" and the others say that. It's just because limitation is bad. This goes for both the one- and the two-fingered purists.
Just my 2 cents. Okay, hit me...
Dr.Sterni
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Wow Dr.Sterni, thanks for really explaining it in as much detail as you just did. I really agree with what you said about how you should not be limited to just what feels right to you. People really should be open to learn things even that they are not very comfortable with, order to advance as a musician.
Guzco
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Ah, that's what I started to hint at. But it's the exact way I feel about playing with a pick.. Never really thought about it in such detail - thanks for the post!
Protoplm
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
I'm really glad that you find my posting useful in some way. Before pushing the 'submit'-button I was a bit scared that somebody could feel obset, like "He said I'm a bad player 'cause I'm using this or that technique" but that's (of course!) absolutely not what I was about to say. Thanks for taking the time to read the whole posting and to understand it!
I think it's really cool to find open minded players like you guys here on the forum. Dman, you really can be happy with your members!
I think it's really cool to find open minded players like you guys here on the forum. Dman, you really can be happy with your members!
Dr.Sterni
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Dr.Sterni wrote:Okay, you can hit me hard for what I'm about to say here, but - sorry! - I have a slightly different, maybe even philosophic understanding of this topic unlike some of you guys (not all of them).
What - I think - was right in the above postings were the following points:
1. Sure it's OKAY to play with only one finger. Or two, or three, or with your feet, or your tongue... Name it! Smaz already said it straight: It's your bass, play how you like. Some others said the same, with some more "hidden" background-information about their ways of doing things this way or different.
2. ? Nothing?
That's it. Mentioning thousands of bass players who used only one finger or any other body-part is absolutely useless, because there will also be millions of bass players who do it differently. Who's right? The thousand one-fingered guys? The million two-fingered ones? Let's be honest: There's no bass-player among us forum-users who became famous like nobody else just because of his or her brilliant super-funky-coolio-monster-technique. Not even Dman and Dan and a lot of you guys, who are (all of you!) great players. Out of the few players from the 50's until today, who really invented modern bass-playing and really pushed the "evolution of bass-playing" there were a couple of guys using just one finger and maybe became famous because of that. And some more people were using two or more fingers. Have all the "other" bass-players (choose the group you like most for "your" point of view) been wrong? Surely not!
All of these techniques are OKAY, but nothing more and nothing less. Don't anybody of you tell me that playing with only finger isn't limited in some sence! Sure it's cool if you can play nearly all of your songs with only one finger. But isn't it cooler to be able to play it with one OR two fingers? Or even three? And to be able to adapt it to slapping and to do double-thumping, tapping and what else you like? Yes, sure it is. And don't tell me that only using two fingers is the real deal. Why? See above, the same reason... This information on it's own is also limited.
Giving the advise to somebody "You have to play everything with two fingers" is crap, because this is just said with no real meaning behind it. Giving the advise "You have to play with only one finger" is also crap. Both hints are limited in the same way. Plus: just playing this or that technique and not seeing what the "other guys" are doing is also limited.
Even giving the advise "Do what you like as long as you feel good" is just the half of the truth in my opinion. Why? Easy: Just because of the fact, that this statement is missing a very, very important aspect: the sound or better to say (more general): the bassist's output.
The whole truth imho for this advice could just be: "As long as you feel good with it and - if you listen really really careful to your music, your style, your timing, your tempo, to everything - if your musical output is really good with your technique, THEN carry on with what you're doing and don't explore some new worlds. Otherwise try it differently".
The question was "Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?" and the answer is: YES! And not because "the purists say this" and the others say that. It's just because limitation is bad. This goes for both the one- and the two-fingered purists.
Just my 2 cents. Okay, hit me...
Well,yeah,i agree to that......
Cliff em' all- A resident.
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Ah ha! Well, I definatly agree with what you say, bud. That's why I mentioned that i'd advise two but if they are comfortable with one, then go for it!
I say this, because i think we're appoaching the question at different angles.
You're speaking in the instance of evolution of the player. I agree. If you want to further yourself as a player, and learn lots of techniques, then make sure you use two. Like the doc says, you'll limit yourself otherwise. Especially in the future.
However, if you're just playing as a bass player who's only purpose is to sit back and maintain the low, simply, then playing with one finger would most likely suffice.
I think it all depends on what we want out of music, and our role as the bass player.
Great discussion! Gonna add it to my blog!
I say this, because i think we're appoaching the question at different angles.
You're speaking in the instance of evolution of the player. I agree. If you want to further yourself as a player, and learn lots of techniques, then make sure you use two. Like the doc says, you'll limit yourself otherwise. Especially in the future.
However, if you're just playing as a bass player who's only purpose is to sit back and maintain the low, simply, then playing with one finger would most likely suffice.
I think it all depends on what we want out of music, and our role as the bass player.
Great discussion! Gonna add it to my blog!
Admin- Admin
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Whohohooo... we're all becoming (even more) famous now^^
B2T: Thanks for adding the points about the different points of view. This if of couse absolutely right and a very important aspect of the whole discussion which I was missing. Sure it important to know for yourself, what you actually want or better where you want to go to.
Personally I am far too old to become a perfect player, but still I demand becoming a good player in as much styles and techniques as possible of myself just because I don't know yet where bassplaying will take me. In the future I would like to play in one or two cover bands in the Rock-/Pop-Business and for sure I would like to play on our own music-productions which we have to program right now. This automatically leads me to my point of view, because I will have to be flexible and not just "maintain the low end", which is not bad at all!! It's just not what I would like to achieve later on.
B2T: Thanks for adding the points about the different points of view. This if of couse absolutely right and a very important aspect of the whole discussion which I was missing. Sure it important to know for yourself, what you actually want or better where you want to go to.
Personally I am far too old to become a perfect player, but still I demand becoming a good player in as much styles and techniques as possible of myself just because I don't know yet where bassplaying will take me. In the future I would like to play in one or two cover bands in the Rock-/Pop-Business and for sure I would like to play on our own music-productions which we have to program right now. This automatically leads me to my point of view, because I will have to be flexible and not just "maintain the low end", which is not bad at all!! It's just not what I would like to achieve later on.
Dr.Sterni
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
I started learning from Dman and was practicing the walking (2 fingers), so I'm getting pretty good at that. When I started playing funk I found plucking with 3 fingers made it far easier to keep that funky sound going because each string could maintain its own finger for speed and easy muting (I have trouble muting with my fret hand).Smaz wrote:It's a technique. Playing with two fingers is a technique, as is three & four finger playing. Slap is a technique, and so is playing with a pick.
All good bassists should be able to play a variety of techniques - but that doesn't mean that you have to use them all, or can't prefer one over the other (i.e. playing with one finger over playing with two). Try out every techinque, and find which one works best for you
Either way, I want to get good at all techniques, I'm having trouble with slap & pop right now, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or I just need to practice until my thumb is swollen lol.
frozen.morale
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Sterni, your post pretty much hit the nail on the head for me
The main points I was trying to get across were that play whichever way you like, but learn other techniques too so that when the time comes, you can play what's needed Very good post!
The main points I was trying to get across were that play whichever way you like, but learn other techniques too so that when the time comes, you can play what's needed Very good post!
Smaz
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Thank you so much, Smaz! This and Dman's statements mean a lot to me, really!
@frozen: With that I can't help, sorry... I'm happy if I get my two bloody fingers going
@frozen: With that I can't help, sorry... I'm happy if I get my two bloody fingers going
Dr.Sterni
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Dr.Sterni wrote:
The whole truth imho for this advice could just be: "As long as you feel good with it and - if you listen really really careful to your music, your style, your timing, your tempo, to everything - if your musical output is really good with your technique, THEN carry on with what you're doing and don't explore some new worlds. Otherwise try it differently".
I think even if you're good at using one technique, you should experiment with others anyway.
Forgive the nerdy analogy, but that's like using one move to win all your fights on Street Fighter. No one respects someone who does that. As apposed to someone who knows all the moves. You want to have a full quiver of playing styles and techniques, that way your output is unmatched and you can basically go in any direction you wish with any song you wish. And people will respect you for it.
Dropthelines585- A resident.
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Admin wrote:Ah ha! Well, I definatly agree with what you say, bud. That's why I mentioned that i'd advise two but if they are comfortable with one, then go for it!
I say this, because i think we're appoaching the question at different angles.
You're speaking in the instance of evolution of the player. I agree. If you want to further yourself as a player, and learn lots of techniques, then make sure you use two. Like the doc says, you'll limit yourself otherwise. Especially in the future.
However, if you're just playing as a bass player who's only purpose is to sit back and maintain the low, simply, then playing with one finger would most likely suffice.
I think it all depends on what we want out of music, and our role as the bass player.
Great discussion! Gonna add it to my blog!
Sorry Dman, I failed to read the entire thread before I replied. I pretty much said exactly this. lol
Dropthelines585- A resident.
Re: Is it bad to pluck with one finger most of the time?
Ha Ha!, no probs man.
You're right, though. No-one appreciates someone who just dragon punches.
You're right, though. No-one appreciates someone who just dragon punches.
Dmanlamius
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